there's nobody in the america who has not at least heard of obama care and i think that -- i think that what we're seeing is their very real refusal to go along with it because as you say, it's a bad idea for them. >> the white house, charlie, has to be deeply worried about the new harvard millennial poll. only 22% of young americans plan to sign up. 47% say it's unlikely they are going to sign up. i mean, those young people are the ones who are supposed to pay, as you point out, for the higher health costs for older and sick americans. if that doesn't happen, charlie, it could cause what experts say is a death spiral of skyrocketing premiums and then the risk, the collapse of the entire system. right? >> and i think -- absolutely. and i think that is exactly why the administration would much rather spend their time talking about what a disaster the website is and we're going to fix the website and get the glitches out. and you know what, eventually -- and they compare it to the rollout of the iphone, as if obama care is somehow could be likened in any other way to the iphone. the reaso